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Some thoughts from my studies today in regards to church ministries (sunday school,youth group etc.) And the failure of these programs according to National Center for family integrated churches confession
The following are some articles from their Articles of Confession
*see complete confession at website www.ncfic.org
Article I — Scripture is Sufficient
We affirm that our all-wise God has revealed Himself and His will in a completed revelation—the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments—which is fully adequate in both content and clarity for “everything pertaining to life (salvation) and godliness (sanctification)” including the ordering of the church and the family (2 Pet. 1:3-4; 1 Tim 3:15; 2 Tim. 3:16-17).
We deny that God’s people should treat His Word as inadequate for church and family life by supplementing His completed revelation with principles from humanistic psychology, corporate business models, and modern marketing techniques.
Article VI — The Church is a Family of Believers that Includes Families
Article XI — The Biblical Pattern of the Church Reflects Age and Family Integration
We affirm that there is no scriptural pattern for comprehensive age segregated discipleship, and that age segregated practices are based on unbiblical, evolutionary and secular thinking which have invaded the church (Deut. 16:9-14; Josh. 8:34-35; Ezra 10:1; 2 Chr.20:13; Nehemiah 12:43; Joel 2:15-16; Luke 12:42-47; Col 4:14; Acts 20:7; Eph. 6:1-4).
We deny/reject that corporate worship, discipleship and evangelism should be systematically segregated by age, and that it has been an effective method for making disciples.
So, in referring to Sufficency of Sripture (Sola Scriptura) The following is from: www.GotQuestions.org
Question: "What is sola scriptura?" * not a full text quote, see website
Answer: The phrase sola scriptura is from the Latin: sola having the idea of “alone,” “ground,” “base,” and the word scriptura meaning “writings”—referring to the Scriptures. Sola scriptura means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:1
The Word of God is the only authority for the Christian faith. Traditions are valid only when they are based on Scripture and are in full agreement with Scripture. Traditions that contradict the Bible are not of God and are not a valid aspect of the Christian faith. Sola scriptura is the only way to avoid subjectivity and keep personal opinion from taking priority over the teachings of the Bible. The essence of sola scriptura is basing your spiritual life on the Bible alone and rejecting any tradition or teaching that is not in full agreement with the Bible. Second Timothy 2:15 declares, “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.”
Sola scriptura does not nullify the concept of church traditions. Rather, sola scriptura gives us a solid foundation on which to base church traditions.
Again, traditions are not the problem. Unbiblical traditions are the problem.© Copyright 2002-2011 Got Questions Ministries.
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In closing, do we blame our church programs for the failures?, toss them aside. Or, do we take personal responsibilty , confess our failures to God, seek forgiveness and ask for His help to teach our families according to his standards ?
Remember, we all must appear before the judgement seat of Christ ? (2 Corinthians 5:10)
God Bless,
Daniel Moore dd_Moore60@yahoo.com
member VVBC
In response to the question that Dan asks at the end, I don't think that we should blame the church programs or youth leaders for the failures. Rather I believe that the church leaders, specifically the elders, need to teach and equip the families according to God's standards. Ideally, as we grow, we will all take personal responsibility for any failings we may have, confess our failures to God, seek his forgiveness and ask for his help to teach our families according to his standards.
ReplyDelete"The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock." I Peter 5:1-3
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" Ephesians 4:11-12
thats where it went in cyber space it kept saying to long and had to edit I must of hi t the email send button instead
ReplyDeleteThanks
Dan Moore
Dan seems to be addressing two issues in his comment. Here are my thoughts in response.
ReplyDeleteI was reared in a church whose pastor earned his doctorate degree in psychology during his ministry. Subsequently, psychology slowly began to take over his Biblical teachings. Eventually, he reached the heretical viewpoint that the Word of God is NOT sufficient for faith and practice (and so stated publicly)! When my father challenged him on this belief stating that the Bible IS sufficient and would keep him until he died, the pastor just commented, "You aren't dead yet!"
I love that Dan did this study and shared what he did. We really don't need humanistic psychology, business models, etc., to guide our church. Let's keep the Bible as our final authority and our model for all faith and practice (corporate and personal). And, yes, we all DO bear personal responsibility for teaching our families (children). Our church (and schools) should reinforce what we teach our children--but the responsibility is ours first.